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		<title>By: PoliJunkie</title>
		<link>http://andrea-zak.com/2008/05/07/pro-lifers-with-the-evidence-against-them-they-return-to-their-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>PoliJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is actually pointless to argue with such ignorant people, the fact of the matter is that those that argue against what I have said have no response whatsoever for the fact that they are irresponsible people who can not accept the fact that they are dealt consequences when taking on certain actions. You are a pro choice person or you already have kids, why don&#039;t you or your husband just get fixed!? then you don&#039;t have to deal with it, you don&#039;t have to make that decision.

Just because there is a problem with the foster care system and there are children out there that are not &quot;living the life&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that they don&#039;t have the opportunity ESPECIALLY in this country to come up from those pinnings and become great! So your argument here is that you are above all and the all knowing decision maker of life and that you can give and take life as needed, a God complex if you will?

And to Para- I don&#039;t understand the adoption as a alternative to abortion? damn right, it&#039;s not an alternative it is another &quot;option&quot;, an alternative would have the same result but different means, so your back alley rusted coat hanger hooks would be an &quot;alternative&quot; i guess. I also say &quot;option&quot; lightly because I am pro-choice when it comes to preserving life, so fix yourself or partner, don&#039;t have sex, give it up for adoption I don&#039;t care.

As for the argument of the fetus, that is actually really funny that you and others even argue whether it is not a human body or being, It just is, that&#039;s like killing a puppy because it is not yet a dog, the life is there already and it is maturing, you either did it on purpose or ignorantly did it while trying to refuse the responsibility.

As for the rape question, you didn&#039;t read it properly obviously, I said family rape, high probability that the child is born with disabilities and in which case when put into foster care or adoption still has little chance of escaping the circumstances. BUT I support even bringing that life into the world if there is a caring family for the child.

I would go so far as to say that people should have a license to breed, it&#039;s those that care so little for life that let their children play in the streets with oncoming traffic, &quot;well as long as I am okay, who cares about anyone else&#039;

Attack me, really, if you think it hurts me, get a life. Those that are intelligent and those that care in this world view your arguments as unfounded, ignorant and very self centered. Let me also say that I used to be against all those &quot;Bible thumpers&quot;, I never went to church growing up, this comes down to a chain butterfly like effect in the world. While you see this as &quot;your&quot; baby, I see it as the life that has the potential to grow up and find a cure for cancer or AIDS or something even more important, funny how you would all be the same people that then complain that we haven&#039;t solved this problem in the world or that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is actually pointless to argue with such ignorant people, the fact of the matter is that those that argue against what I have said have no response whatsoever for the fact that they are irresponsible people who can not accept the fact that they are dealt consequences when taking on certain actions. You are a pro choice person or you already have kids, why don&#8217;t you or your husband just get fixed!? then you don&#8217;t have to deal with it, you don&#8217;t have to make that decision.</p>
<p>Just because there is a problem with the foster care system and there are children out there that are not &#8220;living the life&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that they don&#8217;t have the opportunity ESPECIALLY in this country to come up from those pinnings and become great! So your argument here is that you are above all and the all knowing decision maker of life and that you can give and take life as needed, a God complex if you will?</p>
<p>And to Para- I don&#8217;t understand the adoption as a alternative to abortion? damn right, it&#8217;s not an alternative it is another &#8220;option&#8221;, an alternative would have the same result but different means, so your back alley rusted coat hanger hooks would be an &#8220;alternative&#8221; i guess. I also say &#8220;option&#8221; lightly because I am pro-choice when it comes to preserving life, so fix yourself or partner, don&#8217;t have sex, give it up for adoption I don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>As for the argument of the fetus, that is actually really funny that you and others even argue whether it is not a human body or being, It just is, that&#8217;s like killing a puppy because it is not yet a dog, the life is there already and it is maturing, you either did it on purpose or ignorantly did it while trying to refuse the responsibility.</p>
<p>As for the rape question, you didn&#8217;t read it properly obviously, I said family rape, high probability that the child is born with disabilities and in which case when put into foster care or adoption still has little chance of escaping the circumstances. BUT I support even bringing that life into the world if there is a caring family for the child.</p>
<p>I would go so far as to say that people should have a license to breed, it&#8217;s those that care so little for life that let their children play in the streets with oncoming traffic, &#8220;well as long as I am okay, who cares about anyone else&#8217;</p>
<p>Attack me, really, if you think it hurts me, get a life. Those that are intelligent and those that care in this world view your arguments as unfounded, ignorant and very self centered. Let me also say that I used to be against all those &#8220;Bible thumpers&#8221;, I never went to church growing up, this comes down to a chain butterfly like effect in the world. While you see this as &#8220;your&#8221; baby, I see it as the life that has the potential to grow up and find a cure for cancer or AIDS or something even more important, funny how you would all be the same people that then complain that we haven&#8217;t solved this problem in the world or that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: zak</title>
		<link>http://andrea-zak.com/2008/05/07/pro-lifers-with-the-evidence-against-them-they-return-to-their-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>zak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polit,

There are roughly 500,000 children in foster care, more than one million homeless children, and nearly 13 million children live in poverty. . . we&#039;re doing a great job as a society taking care of the children that have already been brought into the world.   Don&#039;t the children already here deserve a better life first.

Abortion is one of  several options as part of comprehensive family planning: Having and keeping a baby, having and giving a baby up for adoption, aborting the fetus.

6 in ten women who chose to abort, already have a child. Sometimes being able to best care for a child you already have means not bringing another one into the world.

You can&#039;t even begin to speculate how you&#039;d feel if you could get pregnant without being physiologically capable of being pregnant.

what is the basis of your belief that abortion in the case of rape is acceptable?  why in that instance is it ok to give the woman a pass on her biology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polit,</p>
<p>There are roughly 500,000 children in foster care, more than one million homeless children, and nearly 13 million children live in poverty. . . we&#8217;re doing a great job as a society taking care of the children that have already been brought into the world.   Don&#8217;t the children already here deserve a better life first.</p>
<p>Abortion is one of  several options as part of comprehensive family planning: Having and keeping a baby, having and giving a baby up for adoption, aborting the fetus.</p>
<p>6 in ten women who chose to abort, already have a child. Sometimes being able to best care for a child you already have means not bringing another one into the world.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t even begin to speculate how you&#8217;d feel if you could get pregnant without being physiologically capable of being pregnant.</p>
<p>what is the basis of your belief that abortion in the case of rape is acceptable?  why in that instance is it ok to give the woman a pass on her biology?</p>
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		<title>By: Sergiy Grynko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergiy Grynko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems just a matter of time before they start equating male masturbation to mass murder. It&#039;s a sad world we live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems just a matter of time before they start equating male masturbation to mass murder. It&#8217;s a sad world we live in.</p>
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		<title>By: paragraphein</title>
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		<dc:creator>paragraphein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The commenter above me obviously has no understanding of adoption and what drives women to it. Adoption is not an alternative to abortion.

Re: the blog post... SPOT ON. Thank you for writing this.

I was recently in conversation with some pro-lifers who, when forced to admit they couldn&#039;t prove that an embryo is a human being, said, &quot;Well but if we don&#039;t know that it is and we don&#039;t know that it isn&#039;t, then we should err on the side of life.&quot; The problem with that is they are then passing legislation that infringes on others&#039; rights based on a BELIEF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The commenter above me obviously has no understanding of adoption and what drives women to it. Adoption is not an alternative to abortion.</p>
<p>Re: the blog post&#8230; SPOT ON. Thank you for writing this.</p>
<p>I was recently in conversation with some pro-lifers who, when forced to admit they couldn&#8217;t prove that an embryo is a human being, said, &#8220;Well but if we don&#8217;t know that it is and we don&#8217;t know that it isn&#8217;t, then we should err on the side of life.&#8221; The problem with that is they are then passing legislation that infringes on others&#8217; rights based on a BELIEF.</p>
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		<title>By: PoliJunkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoliJunkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comprehensive sex education, check, I agree. It should also be taught at a younger age now that the average age for losing virginity is between 9-11. Do I believe in the ability to choice to use a birth control pill and not consider it a type of abortion? Yes. Am I pro-life? Absolutely.

I always find it funny that the (some of) same people who have no regret killing a fetus are enraged when a forester cut down a tree.

Listen, If you are the victim of a family rape, then I could see abortion as a possibility. There are plenty of people out there that would love to adopt a child though that can&#039;t have one of their own due to complications. Why can&#039;t someone go through a couple months of a little heavy labor to give someone a chance at a better life under someone else&#039;s household? Why is it that liberals want to help all of these starving children and genocide victims in other countries but are hypocritically opposed to saving a life in a very personal way? Am I suggesting that you have AND keep the baby? Absolutely not! I would actually encourage that very self centered individual to give it up for a better life somewhere else where it might be considered a blessing and valued at least in a top 1 or 2 position instead of the person that thinks they are the most important thing put on earth. The fact of the matter is that if you use birth control you are being pro-active and not re-active to the situation, if you choose to have sex you better be willing to deal with the consequences! This isn&#039;t a woman thing either! That is the other point that is made, that men are FORCING a woman&#039;s choice, no no no, if men were able to give birth I would hold to my position BUT GUESS WHAT life isn&#039;t fucking fair, get over it, women got stuck with it and it IS NOT a gender issue, it is a life issue.

But obviously I agreed with you on some points here and you should realize that there is more than just the religious aspect to this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comprehensive sex education, check, I agree. It should also be taught at a younger age now that the average age for losing virginity is between 9-11. Do I believe in the ability to choice to use a birth control pill and not consider it a type of abortion? Yes. Am I pro-life? Absolutely.</p>
<p>I always find it funny that the (some of) same people who have no regret killing a fetus are enraged when a forester cut down a tree.</p>
<p>Listen, If you are the victim of a family rape, then I could see abortion as a possibility. There are plenty of people out there that would love to adopt a child though that can&#8217;t have one of their own due to complications. Why can&#8217;t someone go through a couple months of a little heavy labor to give someone a chance at a better life under someone else&#8217;s household? Why is it that liberals want to help all of these starving children and genocide victims in other countries but are hypocritically opposed to saving a life in a very personal way? Am I suggesting that you have AND keep the baby? Absolutely not! I would actually encourage that very self centered individual to give it up for a better life somewhere else where it might be considered a blessing and valued at least in a top 1 or 2 position instead of the person that thinks they are the most important thing put on earth. The fact of the matter is that if you use birth control you are being pro-active and not re-active to the situation, if you choose to have sex you better be willing to deal with the consequences! This isn&#8217;t a woman thing either! That is the other point that is made, that men are FORCING a woman&#8217;s choice, no no no, if men were able to give birth I would hold to my position BUT GUESS WHAT life isn&#8217;t fucking fair, get over it, women got stuck with it and it IS NOT a gender issue, it is a life issue.</p>
<p>But obviously I agreed with you on some points here and you should realize that there is more than just the religious aspect to this subject.</p>
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